15 minutes ago? What the hell are you talking about? Anon Sashimi died at least 45 minutes ago, judging by the timestamps (and really more like an hour, IIRC the events as they unfolded).
Now that it's gone, I might as well say that snarkzilla always rubbed me the wrong way. I'm not sure exactly what it was, but I didn't like that place.
Er, I don't hate Big Red Fire Engine. But duckquackecho sounds like a dumb fuck.
As for anon sashimi, it figured. Somebody is out to shut down all the snark boards. Let's hope they won't find Google as gutless as the fucking losers who run Live Journal.
Uncle Tom: a member of a low-status group who is overly subservient to or cooperative with authority [Etymology: Uncle Tom, pious and faithful black slave in Uncle Tom's Cabin (1851-52) by Harriet Beecher Stowe]
I suppose that's a reference to Red's low status as an Aussie or something, but I'm too bored to try to make sense of it.
I'm not talking behind your backs, though. I'm confronting you. You can do the same in the SDMB pit, but you'd rather bitch about people behind their backs like fifth grade girls in the bathroom.
And of course I'm anonymous. It's no less than you deserve. If I have my LJ username or SDMB usernme you'd have my e-mail and start spamming me with your pre-menstrual gibberish.
And of course I'm anonymous. It's no less than you deserve. If I have my LJ username or SDMB usernme you'd have my e-mail and start spamming me with your pre-menstrual gibberish.
Jesus I am sick of seeing this waste of a good rationalization. Although this one has a nice twist to it rather then the usual whine of " I do not want to sully my good reputation at the Dope"
Listen up loser, lean in real close so you do not miss a thing: YOU DON'T LIKE IT? PISS OFF!
I know Diogenes in real life, and can assure all of you that he never had an LJ and never posted to any of the anonymous communities. He contacted me to ask me about anon LJ communities because he was confused by comments on the SDMB. This was my first knowledge of your lame existence, and the reason I found this community.
I'm not talking behind your backs, though. I'm confronting you. You can do the same in the SDMB pit, but you'd rather bitch about people behind their backs like fifth grade girls in the bathroom.
And of course I'm anonymous. It's no less than you deserve. If I have my LJ username or SDMB usernme you'd have my e-mail and start spamming me with your pre-menstrual gibberish.
I think that is a good reason. It is the same reason other people are anonymous too. No one wants to deal with the consequences of what they say here. Hell, I'll admit it, I don't.
The thing is, it doesn't make you better, you aren't some rebel, fighting the anonymous man. You are just another anonymous pussy. It doesn't matter what spin you put on it.
I presume by using the word "another," you are acknowledging that you are an anonymous pussy.
But you're missing the point. It's not about being anonymous. It's about talking about people behind their backs. Use the SDMB pit instead of setting up shadow sites.
People have a right to know what's being said about them, and a right to defend themselves. I wonder if any of you have wondered why LJ would want to shut down communities set up just to talk about people behind their backs? Have you ever thought to yourselves, hey, that IS slimy?
You kind of have a good point, twm, but it still looks pretty juvenile to find a "community" set up just for this kind of snarking, especially when the SDMB provides a forum for snarking.
Yeah, yeah we're terrible, awful, cowardly people. We get it already, you can leave now and get back to raping baby animals or whatever the fuck it is you do. Fucking pervert.
Just post it here, snarkzilla. What's there to lose?
FWIW, there are plenty of people who snark openly in the snark forums. It's not just about anonymity, it's also about being able to say the things you're not allowed to say elsewhere.
I have to say that there is a difference between snarking, especially at deserving targets, and the fucking hate-speech that was going on in a couple of threads. Calling someone a "drunken baby murderer" - apart from the libel implications - is just totally beyond the fucking pale. Likewise the pregnancy of another poster - it really was a hate pile on.
To me, there's a difference between hate and snark, and between legitimate targets and just plain bullying.
Well, at first glance, one sees "anonymous said snark. anonymous said snark." So it's hard to distinguish folks.
I haven't guessed who anyone is, or thought to try. I kind of assumed, actually, that the anon communities were people who don't post much (or at all) on SDMB and I wouldn't recognize their user names if I knew them (or I'd vaguely remember them, but not specifics.)
HA. It's nice to see this BS is still going on, just somewhere else.
I'm talking about the PI claims. Jesusfuck, if there's anything I learned from these anonymous communities...believe nothing until it's cited, and then believe only half of it.
I'm an FBI agent who's been lurking because Snarkzilla is actually an alien posing as a human. He's trying to lure you into his trap so he can eat your brains. Be afraid.
And wtf was that P. S. all about anyway? Code-speak for "I'm full of shit as a Christmas goose?" If trainwreckmod re-posts that deleted comment, get Gagnum PI to explain it. Kthx.
"And Red, you didn't like Snarkzilla because you're a dumb Oz cunt and he called you on it regularly" Actually no, they didn't. And for everyone posting under a name, you need to email me (behrendorff (at) gmail.com) to prove it is you.
Who fucking cares if it's shut down? They take about 5 minutes to set up and if the admin is smart enough to put "sdmb" in the interests they're easy to find.
But I can't be bothered to mod and screen entries. Would make a shit admin.
The person posing above as Snarkzilla P.I. is a fraud. I am the real Snarkzilla. One thing that he was right about is that I did have alternative motives in creating the anonymous Snarkzilla LJ but it had nothing to do with Stagemanager. If there was a way to go back and look at the old pages, you would see that IPs were being logged. The actual LJ pages were mirrored and alternated to look like IP tracking was off. You will see soon enough what I plan to do with the information. You will be very surprised and amused over the the identity of those who were posting anonymously.
Well theoretically he could've set up a dummy LJ page with enough hooks into LJ to look authentic, copied all the functionality and done whatever the fuck he wants. Just like criminals who 'phish' for bank account details. But anyone who's not completely dum would've spotted the different URL (which cannot be spoofed) immediately.
I will spill it when I figure out the last remaining IPs and compile my proof into one rip-roarin post. I'll also show how I did it. Be prepared to be awed and amazed.
Well theoretically he could've set up a dummy LJ page with enough hooks into LJ to look authentic, copied all the functionality and done whatever the fuck he wants. Just like criminals who 'phish' for bank account details. But anyone who's not completely dum would've spotted the different URL (which cannot be spoofed) immediately.
I'm not so sure about that. Meet the latest threat, pharming:
If a DNS directory is "poisoned" -- altered to contain false information regarding which web address is associated with what numeric string -- users can be silently shuttled to a bogus website even if they type in the correct URL.
That said, I think whoever is claiming to be snarkzilla is full of shit. It's doubtful this person has the means to carry out pharming, and even if he or she did have the means, there are far more profitable pursuits to follow with that knowledge than outing a bunch of anonymous people on LJ.
Don't be so sure. I have a lot of time on my hands and I get almost orgasmic busting cowardly jackasses. Doubt all you want but I assure you that quite a few posters are going to be outed. The most amusing are the people who say the most hateful things about their so-called friends. They know who they are, I know who they are, and before long, the so-called friends will know who they are.
Advanced warning? lol The squirming will come later when I start posting the posts and authors with verification through IPs. I don't really care whether you believe me, the proof will come soon enough and I will be laughing my ass off.
Jackboots are military boots that reach up the calf (or higher) in length. By extension, then, it's used as a metonym to symbolize harsh and militaristic attitudes.
Most of the word's penetration into the public consciousness, however, came when former President G.H.W. Bush resigned from the National Rifle Association as a reaction against an NRA member letter that characterized federal agents as "jack-booted government thugs."
I'm confused. How are you going to know who I am by my IP again? Did my ISP give you my name? Or you're a straight dope admin and you roll through every membername til you find some that match my various IPs? And then you match up the part where I've been best friends with Indygrrl? HMMMM! And then you do that for everyone else. And then you shift all the numbers over and find the chemical formula for the cure for cancer? OH I SEE!
That sashimi community seemed especially mean-spirited to me. It made me uncomfortable. I posted a few times there, but nothing I wouldn't have been fine owning up to. Had a very civil conversation with someone about what made good debate.
The reason to stay anon, as far as I am concerned, is the risk that someone will use the appearance of my LJ handle to opportunistically make me a target. As in, slam me for things that have nothing to do with my anon_sashimi posts. You know, I'm fat, I have huge meat curtains or my dick's 3 inches long, I'm the world's most annoying Doper, etc. I wouldn't end my life over that crap, but who needs it?
And how exactly is you copying and pasting shit going to make anything seem legit? "Oh look here, the IP I have matched up with Reeder's* says "I am fake dio! HAHAHAHAH!" and I swear to god I didn't change any of this while I was copying! Promise!"
*And how the fuck were you planning on getting the IP's off the Straight Dope Admins exactly?
I didn't think anon-sashimi was any meaner than the others.
The worst topics for me were the ones with racists and hate talk and arguments with anti-anon avenging angels. some of those were evil ugly. But part of me believes that that hate stuff is the true feelings of many dopers. There are a lot of attitudes on the board that I think are the tip of iceburgs that are racist or hateful underneath. Especially those guys who are always like, "oh no I'm white and all the feminists and black people are racist and sexist and it's terrible." I think those guys, if anon, would be outright hateful. I would like to see them outed. To bad it's a pipe dream.
Umm - how does that work when all the anon_sashimi pages used to appear as normal in my Friends view? Or are you claiming that just the Comments pages were mirrored? Because being logged in all the time, nothing looked weird to me.
You could log IP visits to the page and try to match them up with posting times, but it would be nearly impossible to match everything 100% that way.
This whole internet is a fake! I knew there was something fishy when I typed a book into amazon.com today and it came up with a little short man standing on a stool pressing a bunch of buttons behind a curtain! DAMN HIM!
"Nope. Got sick of running it, and had lots of personal-life things going on at the same time. Plus I knew if I kept it up, the IP logging incident would just be beaten to death for months. That didn't make me want to stick around."
I recall someone saying that looking at the IP logs you were the poster for a huge amount of comments, sometimes entire threads.
There's still the URL thing whether he's 'phishing' or 'pharming', unless he successfully hacked domain name servers throughout the planet and redirected literally everyone to this perfect mirror of livejorunal without anyone noticing.
"History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of men."
It's quite simple, really. Snarkzilla was working with the SD Administration. By comparing timestamps and referrer URLs (they can see how your username got to the thread), as well as by correlating usernames with search IDs, they know pretty much who you are. You are each on their List.
So now the story has changed from magically redirecting us to harvest IPs to looking through referrer logs to see who visited SDMB from LJ? Certainly (if the person hadn't disabled referrer logging) you could tell who was looking at SnarkZ, but you couldn't tell who was posting. Post proof or STFU.
Ummm... no, he's a snark hater trying to make the technically incompetent paranoid about using LJ. Leaving aside the whole story changing thing, the most he could've done was identify a few people who visited the anon board and clicked on links there. Even that would require SDMB admin access and A LOT of time.
Yeah, he could possibly identify some of those who'd visited. Which would include a surprisingly large proportion of the Dope I'd wager. But his contention was he'd been able to identify who posted, which is complete bollocks going by the hand waving explanations offered.
What will really piss some people off is finding out that some of the most vile and violent arguments were actually only me posting as different people.
Shit, I tore myself a new asshole several times in one thread!
At one of the earlier communities, I posted "Crushed, I tells ya! Crushed like a can of pineapples." so often in so many different threads, that some dipshit actually thought it was a popular saying and took it as a username! I swear to G-d, I am probably responsible for about 85% of that saying.
I also like to find the pet words and phrases and common typos of Dopers and copy them randomly in anon posts.
So any IP revelations will show that I am a wicked cunt to argue with, even tho it is only me arguing.
What I fear is that someone would advertise that they'd pulled off this amazing trace-the-IP scheme but then falsely affix names to cruel posts and claim they "traced" them. How would they deny it? Some of them would probably have alibis showing they were away from a computer when the posts were made, but where are they going to produce that? We're going to call their doctor and confirm they were having a prostrate exam at that time?
I'd seriously doubt the validity of any "reveals" posted by Our Sherlock Holmes here. Easy to make stuff up that's pure crap.
It isn't so easy to make up when you have screen shots. Duuuuuur
WTF? Any of us could have screen shots. But they all say "anonymous" for the authors, don't they?
The person making up the attributions would post a screen shot and what's to prevent them from saying "This horrible comment we all saw was from IP address 211.477.111.222, and that's actually WallyM7. This other awful comment we all saw, and which is shown here on this screen shot? That's from an IP which I can prove was Ed Zotti"
Did I miss what you meant by "duuuuur?" Is there some other way you think a screen shot will prevent this sort of made-up stuff?
"That's pretty funny, only dead wrong. I wouldn't bother having entire conversations with myself for entire threads, or did you not notice periods of days where I couldn't moderate the board, let alone make 100+ posts to myself on a thread about the topic du jour?"
Wait, so you're saying that there's nothing suspicious about you disappearing for a few days, and suddenly there being a huge amount of debate?
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But, who's been snitching? I don't remember seeing anything about "the usual suspects" in its latest topics.
He never managed to spell wasabi right, either.
As for anon sashimi, it figured. Somebody is out to shut down all the snark boards. Let's hope they won't find Google as gutless as the fucking losers who run Live Journal.
And you're the arbiter of cool. :rolleyes:
And who is Uncle Tom?
Answer: no.
That, of course, is a reference to the 80s hair band Warrant, and their smash hit Uncle Tom's Cabin.
\m/ Rock on my anonymous friend, rock on.
Oh yeah, there was a book by that name 150 years or so ago too, but none of us are that old, so it can't be important.
Do you know how fucking idiotic you sound? You write of 'anonymous losers who post in snark threads' and you post this anonymously in a snark thread!!
Uncle Tom: a member of a low-status group who is overly subservient to or cooperative with authority [Etymology: Uncle Tom, pious and faithful black slave in Uncle Tom's Cabin (1851-52) by Harriet Beecher Stowe]
I suppose that's a reference to Red's low status as an Aussie or something, but I'm too bored to try to make sense of it.
Also with each closure we seem to get a bit more info on which whiney loser it is. It is an Encyclopedia Brown chapter, an immature mystery......
And Red, you didn't like Snarkzilla because you're a dumb Oz cunt and he called you on it regularly. Have a nice day! :)
Bugs Meany has been closing down the anon communities?
And of course I'm anonymous. It's no less than you deserve. If I have my LJ username or SDMB usernme you'd have my e-mail and start spamming me with your pre-menstrual gibberish.
Jesus I am sick of seeing this waste of a good rationalization. Although this one has a nice twist to it rather then the usual whine of " I do not want to sully my good reputation at the Dope"
Listen up loser, lean in real close so you do not miss a thing:
YOU DON'T LIKE IT? PISS OFF!
I am Cricetus on the SDMB.
I know Diogenes in real life, and can assure all of you that he never had an LJ and never posted to any of the anonymous communities. He contacted me to ask me about anon LJ communities because he was confused by comments on the SDMB. This was my first knowledge of your lame existence, and the reason I found this community.
And of course I'm anonymous. It's no less than you deserve. If I have my LJ username or SDMB usernme you'd have my e-mail and start spamming me with your pre-menstrual gibberish.
I think that is a good reason. It is the same reason other people are anonymous too. No one wants to deal with the consequences of what they say here. Hell, I'll admit it, I don't.
The thing is, it doesn't make you better, you aren't some rebel, fighting the anonymous man. You are just another anonymous pussy. It doesn't matter what spin you put on it.
But you're missing the point. It's not about being anonymous. It's about talking about people behind their backs. Use the SDMB pit instead of setting up shadow sites.
People have a right to know what's being said about them, and a right to defend themselves. I wonder if any of you have wondered why LJ would want to shut down communities set up just to talk about people behind their backs? Have you ever thought to yourselves, hey, that IS slimy?
I didn't shut down your communities, BTW.
I do appreciate your thoughtful response though.
FWIW, there are plenty of people who snark openly in the snark forums. It's not just about anonymity, it's also about being able to say the things you're not allowed to say elsewhere.
(I'm istara).
To me, there's a difference between hate and snark, and between legitimate targets and just plain bullying.
Well, at first glance, one sees "anonymous said snark. anonymous said snark." So it's hard to distinguish folks.
I haven't guessed who anyone is, or thought to try. I kind of assumed, actually, that the anon communities were people who don't post much (or at all) on SDMB and I wouldn't recognize their user names if I knew them (or I'd vaguely remember them, but not specifics.)
Whoda thunk it?
(Actually I don't have a fucking clue who he is but nothing would surprise me.)
Who hired you?
What's your PI license number?
I'm talking about the PI claims. Jesusfuck, if there's anything I learned from these anonymous communities...believe nothing until it's cited, and then believe only half of it.
I'm an FBI agent who's been lurking because Snarkzilla is actually an alien posing as a human. He's trying to lure you into his trap so he can eat your brains. Be afraid.
Yeah, this choose an identity thing is going to be fun.
She has a bigger dick than me, always has.
Actually no, they didn't.
And for everyone posting under a name, you need to email me (behrendorff (at) gmail.com) to prove it is you.
OK, I'll do it. Hey Red, you're a dumb Oz cunt.
Give it a shot and see what happens. Or better yet, start your own fucking journal.
But I can't be bothered to mod and screen entries. Would make a shit admin.
Stay tuned....
Don't post a fucking name to your posts if you can't prove it! I'll start deleting soon. Parodies stay, but stop posting shit.
And what the fuck does me being Australian have to do with being a mod? Do you have something against un-Americans?
Wtf are jackboots?
And you don't like it? Fuck off then.
I'm not so sure about that. Meet the latest threat, pharming:
If a DNS directory is "poisoned" -- altered to contain false information regarding which web address is associated with what numeric string -- users can be silently shuttled to a bogus website even if they type in the correct URL.
That said, I think whoever is claiming to be snarkzilla is full of shit. It's doubtful this person has the means to carry out pharming, and even if he or she did have the means, there are far more profitable pursuits to follow with that knowledge than outing a bunch of anonymous people on LJ.
Jackboots are military boots that reach up the calf (or higher) in length. By extension, then, it's used as a metonym to symbolize harsh and militaristic attitudes.
Most of the word's penetration into the public consciousness, however, came when former President G.H.W. Bush resigned from the National Rifle Association as a reaction against an NRA member letter that characterized federal agents as "jack-booted government thugs."
Umm, yeah.
I've never posted shit to be worried about and doubt you could find out my SD handle from my IP. Goodluck scarecrow.
No.
:P
That sashimi community seemed especially mean-spirited to me. It made me uncomfortable. I posted a few times there, but nothing I wouldn't have been fine owning up to. Had a very civil conversation with someone about what made good debate.
The reason to stay anon, as far as I am concerned, is the risk that someone will use the appearance of my LJ handle to opportunistically make me a target. As in, slam me for things that have nothing to do with my anon_sashimi posts. You know, I'm fat, I have huge meat curtains or my dick's 3 inches long, I'm the world's most annoying Doper, etc. I wouldn't end my life over that crap, but who needs it?
In short: we're not all quaking in our boots.
"Oh look here, the IP I have matched up with Reeder's* says "I am fake dio! HAHAHAHAH!" and I swear to god I didn't change any of this while I was copying! Promise!"
*And how the fuck were you planning on getting the IP's off the Straight Dope Admins exactly?
The worst topics for me were the ones with racists and hate talk and arguments with anti-anon avenging angels. some of those were evil ugly. But part of me believes that that hate stuff is the true feelings of many dopers. There are a lot of attitudes on the board that I think are the tip of iceburgs that are racist or hateful underneath. Especially those guys who are always like, "oh no I'm white and all the feminists and black people are racist and sexist and it's terrible." I think those guys, if anon, would be outright hateful. I would like to see them outed. To bad it's a pipe dream.
Umm - how does that work when all the anon_sashimi pages used to appear as normal in my Friends view? Or are you claiming that just the Comments pages were mirrored? Because being logged in all the time, nothing looked weird to me.
You could log IP visits to the page and try to match them up with posting times, but it would be nearly impossible to match everything 100% that way.
I recall someone saying that looking at the IP logs you were the poster for a huge amount of comments, sometimes entire threads.
That wouldn't have something to do with it???
Phull of shit.
It's quite simple, really. Snarkzilla was working with the SD Administration. By comparing timestamps and referrer URLs (they can see how your username got to the thread), as well as by correlating usernames with search IDs, they know pretty much who you are. You are each on their List.
Silly humans.
*coughBULLSHITcough*
One IP to make the Post, One IP to poll them, One IP to fool them all and in the Darkness troll them.
The only thing dumber than the average American (and that's pretty damn stupid) is an Australian. Doyyy. ::points and laughs at an entire continent::
What are jackboots?
Precisely my point.
I love you, anon.
This is the funniest fucking thing I have read in aeons.
Thank you anon x
Yeah? So? Not impossible.
Anyway, believe what you like...
Shit, I tore myself a new asshole several times in one thread!
At one of the earlier communities, I posted "Crushed, I tells ya! Crushed like a can of pineapples." so often in so many different threads, that some dipshit actually thought it was a popular saying and took it as a username! I swear to G-d, I am probably responsible for about 85% of that saying.
I also like to find the pet words and phrases and common typos of Dopers and copy them randomly in anon posts.
So any IP revelations will show that I am a wicked cunt to argue with, even tho it is only me arguing.
What I fear is that someone would advertise that they'd pulled off this amazing trace-the-IP scheme but then falsely affix names to cruel posts and claim they "traced" them. How would they deny it? Some of them would probably have alibis showing they were away from a computer when the posts were made, but where are they going to produce that? We're going to call their doctor and confirm they were having a prostrate exam at that time?
I'd seriously doubt the validity of any "reveals" posted by Our Sherlock Holmes here. Easy to make stuff up that's pure crap.
That is so hot.
WTF? Any of us could have screen shots. But they all say "anonymous" for the authors, don't they?
The person making up the attributions would post a screen shot and what's to prevent them from saying "This horrible comment we all saw was from IP address 211.477.111.222, and that's actually WallyM7. This other awful comment we all saw, and which is shown here on this screen shot? That's from an IP which I can prove was Ed Zotti"
Did I miss what you meant by "duuuuur?" Is there some other way you think a screen shot will prevent this sort of made-up stuff?
Good times!
Wait, so you're saying that there's nothing suspicious about you disappearing for a few days, and suddenly there being a huge amount of debate?
Wait, what's wrong with Guin's asshole?
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